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Post by Laura (Lori) on Feb 2, 2011 15:23:44 GMT -8
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Post by therockfairy on Feb 19, 2011 8:06:35 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2011 20:05:35 GMT -8
Just read the article and I'm not real sure what to think. Still going hmmm.....
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Post by therockfairy on Feb 20, 2011 5:03:28 GMT -8
yeah i know, hard to know what to believe - i hope for everyones sake its not true, but hmmm indeed  |
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Post by quietpirate on Feb 21, 2011 9:56:26 GMT -8
Okay I have a question what's the difference between 500M(1) and 500M(2)? Please bare with me I'm still learning about short track.
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Post by Laura (Lori) on Feb 21, 2011 11:46:53 GMT -8
Good question, QP, and I'm sure you're not the only one who's wondered!
The answer is that each of the 3 individual distances are contested 8 times during the World Cup season. But there are only 6 World Cups. Therefore, in each World Cup, ONE distance is raced twice - it will be a different one with each World Cup.
This season, the 1500M was raced twice in WC's 1 & 4; the 1000M in WC's 2 & 5; and the 500M in WC's 3 & 6.
The 500M(1) is totally unrelated to 500M(2)... It's a separate race with separate medals.
When you think of it, it's the equivalent of adding 2 more World Cups to the season - minus the relay, of course - without the travel expenses! (And it works out nicely mathematically. 6 skaters per country - 3 skaters per distance - 2 distances per day for each skater.)
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Post by quietpirate on Feb 21, 2011 12:42:15 GMT -8
Thanks for the explanation Lori. How long have you been a short track fan? Who was the skater that peeked your interest in short track? You do an excellent job of keeping up with the World Cups and each individual skater.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 11:57:00 GMT -8
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Post by therockfairy on Feb 24, 2011 14:06:26 GMT -8
im glad they are investigating - they are very serious allegations (true or not)  |
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Post by Laura (Lori) on Feb 25, 2011 17:08:17 GMT -8
I’ve heard rumors that KDS was a brutal coach, but that can mean many things to many people. For some it could mean behavior that could land a guy in jail. For others, it could mean that he worked the kids extremely hard. For still others, it could mean that he didn’t allow orange slices and juice boxes at practice…
My husband and I have been in the coaching environment for years (not short track), and I truly believe that no matter what you do, somebody’s gonna be mad at you about something. I’m not a bit surprised that KDS has detractors – and I’m equally un-surprised that he has plenty of supporters.
That being said - in today’s environment, you don’t touch a kid. Ever. It’s just begging for trouble. It doesn’t matter if it’s a hockey stick to the butt or a hug -there’s very little touching that won’t make somebody squawk.
I’m sure we haven’t heard the last of this, and we'll continue to follow the process.
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Post by Laura (Lori) on Feb 25, 2011 17:19:51 GMT -8
Thanks for the explanation Lori. How long have you been a short track fan? Who was the skater that peeked your interest in short track? You do an excellent job of keeping up with the World Cups and each individual skater. QP People ask me that all the time, QP - the short answer is that I've been an Olympics fan all my life. In 2006, I decided to follow 5 sports in non-Olympic years. Short track was the only one that 'stuck'. Maybe I'll give y'all the long version someday!  |
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Post by Laura (Lori) on Mar 2, 2011 21:17:00 GMT -8
I'm hearing reliable info that says KDS' coaching credentials have been suspended pending further investigation, and that Child Protective Services in Maryland is now looking into the matter. I’m thinking this will mean that he will not be available to coach at Nationals/American Cup Final in Wausau next week…
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Post by sk8er on Mar 2, 2011 22:11:42 GMT -8
KDS grew up and participated in Korean skating during a time when the treatment of skaters was not good. Many of the worst recent abuses were discussed about 4-5 years ago on Ohnozone when members of the Korean Women's Team actually left the training center to protest their treatment. I've had people tell me they saw physical abuse and our Korean coach (whom we asked to leave) yelled aggressively at us routinely and "No talking! Watch better skaters!" It's a tough culture, all around. The "Tiger Mom" syndrome. Still, the Korean coaches who come over here have surely learned that Americans will work hard....go Team USA!....but not countenance physical and psychological abuse. I hope these charges prove baseless....However I think USS should have gotten onto this sooner knowing the history. In this day and age you can't put your head in the sand and hope things go away.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2011 10:58:06 GMT -8
KDS is indeed suspended according to this latest Washington Post article, today: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/03/AR2011030300049.htmlI have to say that the original "investigation" sounds very weak. It appears that USOC stepped up to this issue immediately upon hearing about it. What is unsaid but might be assumed is that USOC is none to happy to have heard about these allegations by reading them in the newspaper and not from US Speedskating. I also have to say that the argument that the parents did not go to the legal authorities doesn't hold much weight with me either. It is the responsibility of any governing organization (be it sports, scouts, etc) to protect the minors entrusted to them who are participating in the activities they sponsor from abuse of any kind. |
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Post by sk8er on Mar 3, 2011 11:30:06 GMT -8
Oh oh....those allegations sound familiar and WHAT was USS thinking??? Surely they knew the liability repercussions if these issues stick? Kim had the chutzpah to say that USS's failure to act during the summer shows his innocence?! These people have been in the sport for years. So sad, especially in light of the stellar results some Korean coaches have obtained for their athletes without this sort of charge.  ( |
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